How Do Fungi Keep the Planet Healthy? | PODCAST: The Joy of Why

Evolutionary biologist Toby Kiers explains how fungal networks in soil trade nutrients with plants, help keep carbon underground, and strike bargains without having a brain. “The Joy of Why” is a Quanta Magazine podcast about curiosity and the pursuit of knowledge. The mathematician and author Steven Strogatz and the cosmologist and author Janna Levin take turns interviewing leading researchers about the great scientific and mathematical questions of our time. For more episodes visit Quanta Magazine: https://www.quantamagazine.org/tag/the-joy-of-why/ --------- 0:00 Introduction 2:42 What Are Mycorrhizal Fungi? 5:30 How Plants and Fungi Trade Resources 8:00 Inside the Underground Fungal Network 11:30 How Fungi Shape Climate and Ecosystems 16:05 The Underground Marketplace: Cooperation and Competition 26:15 How Fungi Make Decisions Without Brains 29:40 The Hidden Partnership Between Fungi and Bacteria 34:14 Watching Nutrients Move Through Fungal Networks 40:28 Mapping and Protecting Earth's Underground Biodiversity 45:00 The Strange Biology of Fungi 49:35 What Fungi Reveal About Cooperation in Nature --------- People may think of soil as just dirt, but it is anything but inert. Beneath your feet, a vast network of mycorrhizal fungi is hard at work, trading minerals with plant roots. This trading system helps enrich the soil, and it sequesters 13 billion tons of atmospheric carbon dioxide each year — roughly equivalent to one-third of the world’s fossil-fuel emissions. Scientists know that these fungi form partnerships with 80% of all plant species on Earth, a relationship that evolved some 450 million years ago. What they have not understood is how organisms with no brain or central nervous system can decide whom to trade with, and on what terms. Toby Kiers, an evolutionary biologist at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, has spent much of her career making this hidden world visible. Drawing on economics and game theory, and using tools that range from fluorescent quantum dots to imaging robots, her lab is probing how fungi and plants conduct their trade. The work raises new questions about soil, carbon, and even what counts as an individual organism. In this episode, Kiers tells co-host Steven Strogatz how these brainless, decentralized organisms can behave strategically — discriminating between better and worse partners and shifting resources across the network to wherever a plant will “pay” more for it — and how she has built a worldwide community of res